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Monday, September 29th 2008, 2:39pm

School - problems with teacher

My wee bro who's just turning 11 is having problems with his teacher.
She's keeping his whole class back after school for ages everyday meaning his class is always late out and the lollypop man has left. She takes them in early at dinner time so that if his class is second sitting then he gets no lunch, She refuses to let them out for playtime but buggers off to get her coffee. She also likes dishing out yellow cards like there going out of fashion shes a total old dragon. My little bro has never had any problems at school before its just since he went into p6 and got this teacher. His whole class hates her so its not just him is there anything my mum can do? I was sure i read or heard somewhere that kids have to get there breaks and dinnertime.


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Monday, September 29th 2008, 4:51pm

I would have a word with the Head - if the whole class hates her the chances are a few other mum's will have done the same.

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Monday, September 29th 2008, 5:29pm

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I'm a teacher and , don't get me wrong, you only know the side of the story of the kids. What do they do for her to keep them? Just because kids hate a teacher that does not justify misbehaving. She would be stupid if she was just waisting her free time as teachers don't have to stay afer school or at lunch, so she must be doing it for a reason. Maybe ask the teacher what's happening. It is very unhelpful and bad for your brother if you go along with him and tell him that she's wrong when you don't know why she's keeping him behind. Just give the teacher a call, I'm sure she'll have an explanation.

Kids have to have their lunch and their break, but not necessary the full length. So if say break is 20 minutes the teacher can keep them behind 15, so they can go to the loo. Detentions are the only punishments left to teachers to discipline students. It is very unhelpful when parents can't accept that their child has misbehaved or hasn't done what s/he was asked to do. No child is perfect and you would be surprised how different kids are in school compared with what they are like at home or when their parents are there.

Kids like to play parent against teacher, just like they do with mum and dad at home. And they also tell lies. I know it's hard to accept when it is your own kid or a little brother/sister, but it does happen. Sometimes they just bend the truth to get a reaction form their parent or to cover their back.

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Monday, September 29th 2008, 6:44pm

While I agree that children may only give one side of a story they are also capable of telling the truth and conveying their feelings and emotions, they also have every right to tell a parent if they feel a teacher is behaving in an unprofessional manner. A teacher who needs to keep an entire class back every single day, playtime and lunchtime for discipline sounds like she might be better off in a different job.

Milner, can your Mum pop in and have a word with the teacher? Children can't learn in a prohibitive environment and if your brother feels very unhappy day after day then his education is being affected. Teachers are paid to teach our children, not make them miserable.





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Monday, September 29th 2008, 6:51pm

Milner, i really hope your mum is able to sort this out, it does sound to me like the teacher is being very unreasonable.

Is a teacher really allowed to hold the class back for 15 minutes out of 20? That sounds plain wrong to me, no matter what has happened. They are only 11 and need their time to run around, go to the loo and get a drink.
If a whole class is kept back, what is the justification for that? Not ALL of the children have misbehaved so why are they all being punished?




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Monday, September 29th 2008, 7:02pm

hmmm, I'm with Rae and Bells on this one, you should get your mum to talk to the teacher, or head teacher about the teacher and maybe discuss if her punishments are a little harsh. Are there other parents that will go to the school with your mum and show a united front on this?

And also I find it very hard to believe that just one entire class out of a school can be so badly behaved that they deserve to be in detention upto 3 times a day everyday, meaning their playtimes are shortened and they are late home for their teas - that to me is too strong, no wonder they are playing up for her! You cannot simply demand a childs respect it has to be earned IMO. At our school they had a merit reward system, where so many gold stars/ outstanding achievement would award you with a certificate, mild bad behaviour would be a balck mark, 3 black marks equalled a detention. Children are proven to respond better to praise rather than being shouted at.
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Monday, September 29th 2008, 8:10pm

I am an after school tutor and I know how children can be difficult but that is no excuse to punish them continuously. She is only making them resent school if she keeps this up. The best thing to do is talk to the head, I doubt she is up for listening to complaints from parents. BY the way, how does your mum feel about this? Did your brother talk to your mum?

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Monday, September 29th 2008, 8:18pm

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I would have a word with the Head - if the whole class hates her the chances are a few other mum's will have done the same.

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His parents nights next week so my mums going to wait until then, speak to his teacher to find out whats the problem and then go to the head. Its defiantly not just my little brother that's unhappy as his friends are complaining to their mums as well.

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I'm a teacher and , don't get me wrong, you only know the side of the story of the kids. What do they do for her to keep them? Just because kids hate a teacher that does not justify misbehaving. She would be stupid if she was just waisting her free time as teachers don't have to stay afer school or at lunch, so she must be doing it for a reason. Maybe ask the teacher what's happening. It is very unhelpful and bad for your brother if you go along with him and tell him that she's wrong when you don't know why she's keeping him behind. Just give the teacher a call, I'm sure she'll have an explanation.


The whole class getting kept behind has been happening since the very first day of this term. I know that kids don't always tell the truth but my brother has never needed to lie before and he'd be stringing it a bit far for this amount of time. That also would not explain why his whole class would feel the need to lie as well. My mum will see her at parents night and find out what her problem is.

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Kids have to have their lunch and their break, but not necessary the full length. So if say break is 20 minutes the teacher can keep them behind 15, so they can go to the loo. Detentions are the only punishments left to teachers to discipline students. It is very unhelpful when parents can't accept that their child has misbehaved or hasn't done what s/he was asked to do. No child is perfect and you would be surprised how different kids are in school compared with what they are like at home or when their parents are there.


Again it is not just my little brother who is being kept behind its the whole class. No kid is perfect but if my little brother is so bad then wheres the punishment exercises, the kids being sent to the head teacher, the letters home to parents, and parent/ teacher meetings? As they are all forms of disciplinary actions as set by the school guidelines. The whole class being kept behind everyday since the start of term, having there breaks taken away and there lunch cut short is not!

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Kids like to play parent against teacher, just like they do with mum and dad at home. And they also tell lies. I know it's hard to accept when it is your own kid or a little brother/sister, but it does happen. Sometimes they just bend the truth to get a reaction form their parent or to cover their back.

Always talk to teachrs because you are not there so you don't know, that's my advice.


As before my wee bro has never needed to lie before why would he start now. I fully agree with kids getting punished IF they deserve it. Not because the teacher is having a rough day/week/month or year. Today he was so angry and upset that he point blank refused to go back to school. Its took two phone calls from both myself and his dad, plus my mum trying to calm him down to actually get him back to school (half an hour early i might add :rolleyes:).

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While I agree that children may only give one side of a story they are also capable of telling the truth and conveying their feelings and emotions, they also have every right to tell a parent if they feel a teacher is behaving in an unprofessional manner. A teacher who needs to keep an entire class back every single day, playtime and lunchtime for discipline sounds like she might be better off in a different job.

Milner, can your Mum pop in and have a word with the teacher? Children can't learn in a prohibitive environment and if your brother feels very unhappy day after day then his education is being affected. Teachers are paid to teach our children, not make them miserable.


My mum will speak to the teacher at parents evening to try and sort it out. If nothing changes after that then it will be the head and then the education board as its got that bad. My wee bro has always loved school even wanting to go to school when he's ill (the nutter that he is doesnt get that from me :D) So for him to not wanting to go back this afternoon was a big shock to us all.

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Milner, i really hope your mum is able to sort this out, it does sound to me like the teacher is being very unreasonable.

Is a teacher really allowed to hold the class back for 15 minutes out of 20? That sounds plain wrong to me, no matter what has happened. They are only 11 and need their time to run around, go to the loo and get a drink.
If a whole class is kept back, what is the justification for that? Not ALL of the children have misbehaved so why are they all being punished?


Its got to the stage where its becoming a joke, they are supposed to get out of school at 3.15 and theres been times when we have still been standing outside the school at 3.40 waiting on his class getting out. I know that the other kids parents are unhappy but aint sure if they have said anything to the school or not.


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Monday, September 29th 2008, 8:39pm

Sorry to jump in, but I'm a teacher and I wouldn't recommend waiting until parents evening for 2 reasons. You don't get long on parents evening and it's important this gets resolved now, not in a weeks time. Make an appointment tomorrow morning for as soon as possible. Normally if a parent asks to see me in the morning then I'll try and see them that day after school, or the next day if I have other meetings. Then your mum can speak to the teacher and ask why her son is missing breaks, being kept in late...
I hope that this is resolved easily and as a teacher hope that parents come to see me as soon as an issue is raised before it builds up to become an angry problem. Many things just need talking through to see what and why things have happened.
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Monday, September 29th 2008, 8:41pm

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hmmm, I'm with Rae and Bells on this one, you should get your mum to talk to the teacher, or head teacher about the teacher and maybe discuss if her punishments are a little harsh. Are there other parents that will go to the school with your mum and show a united front on this?

And also I find it very hard to believe that just one entire class out of a school can be so badly behaved that they deserve to be in detention upto 3 times a day everyday, meaning their playtimes are shortened and they are late home for their teas - that to me is too strong, no wonder they are playing up for her! You cannot simply demand a childs respect it has to be earned IMO. At our school they had a merit reward system, where so many gold stars/ outstanding achievement would award you with a certificate, mild bad behaviour would be a balck mark, 3 black marks equalled a detention. Children are proven to respond better to praise rather than being shouted at.
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Its been the same kids in the class since nursery so my mum knows all the other mums, she's going to wait till parents night to see whats happening though as she doesnt want to go ganging up on her just yet.

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I am an after school tutor and I know how children can be difficult but that is no excuse to punish them continuously. She is only making them resent school if she keeps this up. The best thing to do is talk to the head, I doubt she is up for listening to complaints from parents. BY the way, how does your mum feel about this? Did your brother talk to your mum?


My mum is really upset especially after today, yes he talks to us all. Hes normally laid back and just goes with the flow, today he was so angry and upset that it was totally out of character.

Ive got to add that my little brothers and sister school is open plan (all the classes are spit up into individual sections) My little brothers class is right next to my little sisters (she's a year older) so if he was playing up my little sister would know and tell my mum.


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Tuesday, September 30th 2008, 9:43pm

It does sound very strange for a teacher to keep a class behind every time, and as Clara says I would go and talk to the teacher to find out what's going on, as I said you only know one side of the story and neither you nor the other parents are there. Talking is the best way to clarify any doubts.

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Thursday, October 2nd 2008, 1:25pm

any news on this yet milner?
i hope your mom can sort it out soon..... the teacher sounds awful!

i would be straight there speaking to the head if it were spud coming out of school that late. i know children can behave differently at school to at home and i know that some of them are bloody awful!...but not all of them! by doing this the teacher is just making the good kids resent her and tbh i wouldnt like my child to go to school knowing they wouldnt be allowed to eat their lunch or have a break.....even if they are naughty in school they have these needs met... they NEED to eat and they NEED to go to the toilet and they NEED a break from the class room so they can socialise with their friends and develope as individuals. some teachers are on nothing more than a power trip.



if your bro's teacher has such a big problem with children then she she shouldnt be a teacher!



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any news on this yet milner?
i hope your mom can sort it out soon..... the teacher sounds awful!

i would be straight there speaking to the head if it were spud coming out of school that late. i know children can behave differently at school to at home and i know that some of them are bloody awful!...but not all of them! by doing this the teacher is just making the good kids resent her and tbh i wouldnt like my child to go to school knowing they wouldnt be allowed to eat their lunch or have a break.....even if they are naughty in school they have these needs met... they NEED to eat and they NEED to go to the toilet and they NEED a break from the class room so they can socialise with their friends and develope as individuals. some teachers are on nothing more than a power trip.



if your bro's teacher has such a big problem with children then she she shouldnt be a teacher!



Its still the same they all got kept in (again) and letters home yesterday, parents evenings next week so they will sort it then, my step dads off shore just now and he wants to be there when my mum finds out whats going on thats why there waiting till next week instead of going in this week. Will have to wait and see what he comes home with today :rolleyes:


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Thursday, October 2nd 2008, 3:29pm

poor lad :sadface:

hope he comes home on time today

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Monday, October 6th 2008, 11:12pm

Hmmm, doesn't sound normal. I am a teacher and i would never do this that amount. However it is important to get both sides of the story. Talk to your brother and record the facts and then arrange a meeting with both the principal and the teacher present - with the facts laid out on paper in front of you. Certainly, if this is the case, that amount of detention is not normal - even if the class are horrendous! Hope you get it sorted x
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Wednesday, October 8th 2008, 4:27pm

I think it is very considerate and sweet of your stepdad to want to be there. I think I have certainly taken my parents' support for granted. When parents show up for parents evening, it shows that the parents are very involved. I hope all the parents make it to the meeting and address the teacher. I am sure she has her reasons, but maybe she is not approaching the problem in the right way. Not saying this is her fault but a complete misunderstanding from both sides. I hope all goes well...good luck :smile:




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