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Thursday, June 4th 2009, 1:57pm

Blood and pain - think I am miscarrying

not good, not good, not good

Had some womby pain last night, didn;t feel at all well throughout the night and have had more cramps this morning. Just assumed it was my uterus stretching and the sickness I have been feeling.

Got home from my half day about 30 mins ago. Hadn't felt well in the car so zoomed to the bathroom and retched. A little bit of sick came up and at the same time I felt liquid 'down there'. Thought 'Oh now, incontinent already!' but when I looked it wasn't urine, it was bright red blood.

Phoned the EPU who weren't particularly helpful and said that, even despite my history, I had no clinical need to be scanned. The woman pointed out that my scan last week was good, I explained a bit more about my history and why I wasn't finding this reassuring and she replied with 'well, then you won;t find a scan today reassuring'. At which point I snapped and said 'Of course I would if it showed my baby was still alive and growing properly!', which she had to admit was true. They only have two scan appts left for tomorrow but will not allocate one to me - I have to keep an eye on it and call again at 9am.

TMI alert. Poked 'up there' and looks like more bright red stuff is on its way so I've got a thin sanitary pad on to monitor it. Cramps are definitely feeling more period-like.

Called Al and he offered to come home but there's nothing he can do so said to just get home by 5pm if he can.

Just cannot believe this is happening again after all of the sickness I have had this time.

Thanks for reading - needed to get it off my chest. I know you'll all want to leap in and reassure me with explanations and personal positive stories, but please don't. I've been here too many times before and know them all. Sadly I also know that what has happened to other people doesn't have any bearing on what will happen to me. I know that all I can do is sit, wait and hope.

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Thursday, June 4th 2009, 2:01pm

Can you get your mw to refer you for a scan?

I did this when the epu refused to see me.x

I am so sorry you are going through this but you know yourself it might be a bleed that is nothing to do with the baby. But I appreciate how worried you are.

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Thursday, June 4th 2009, 2:03pm

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Can you get your mw to refer you for a scan?


Don;t have a midwife yet hun - doctor only filled the forms in on tues


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Thursday, June 4th 2009, 2:03pm

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Thursday, June 4th 2009, 2:04pm

Oh no - Jen hon, I'm so sorry :hugs: I'm willing the bleeding to stop, will keep looking for updates and am sending you all my love and strength as you wait. xxx


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Thursday, June 4th 2009, 2:08pm

Oh Jen, no.... I am praying that this is not happening again. The sickness, the beautiful heartbeat, this is a different pregnancy.

I can't believe you got that response from the EPU, 9 am is an eternity away. Can Al call them? Maybe call again and get to speak to someone else? Tell them you are bleeding heavily and you need to be seen. Failing that, is there anyway you could get a scan done privately this afternoon?

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Thursday, June 4th 2009, 2:18pm

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I can't believe you got that response from the EPU, 9 am is an eternity away. Can Al call them? Maybe call again and get to speak to someone else? Tell them you are bleeding heavily and you need to be seen. Failing that, is there anyway you could get a scan done privately this afternoon?


Oh Mavis, you've obviously never dealt with the Edinburgh EPU!! I have had several similar calls with them and they just never budge - the problem is that they cover such a wide area and have little resource.
Even when my GP tried to get the scan date moved forwards last time she was met with a hefty brick wall. I'm pretty calm - can;t cry or get worked up about this anymore, it all feels too familiar.
If it wsa just the blood I wouldn;t be so worried, but it is the accompanying cramps - basically, it feels physically just like it has done at the start of all the other miscarriages and I've only ever had these types of cramps in a pregnancy at the point of m/c.


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Thursday, June 4th 2009, 2:30pm

There is no way you should have to do this, but is this place any good/anywhere near you?
http://www.healthcarenow.co.uk/early_pregnancy_scan.php

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Thursday, June 4th 2009, 2:32pm

Oh Jen :hugs: I don't know what to say, other than I am at my desk praying for you.

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Thursday, June 4th 2009, 2:41pm

Oh no hon, am thinking of you and hoping that the bleeding stops. xxx
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Thursday, June 4th 2009, 2:48pm

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Thursday, June 4th 2009, 2:48pm

Just sending loads of hugs out to you. :hugs: Apalled by the behaviour of EPU.

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Thursday, June 4th 2009, 2:50pm

I'm really hoping for you, you must be so scared :hugs:

Can you pay to go private somewhere, TODAY, I know you shouldn't have to xx

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Thursday, June 4th 2009, 3:02pm

Oh Jen, no!

I'm hoping with every fibre in my body that that this stops and goes away.

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Thursday, June 4th 2009, 3:09pm

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Thursday, June 4th 2009, 3:27pm

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Thursday, June 4th 2009, 3:45pm

No Jen! :sadface:

I really hope that this stops and your baby is safe and well.

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Thursday, June 4th 2009, 3:51pm

oh sweetheart, how are you? how are things now? any change?

sending you all my love sweety, i wish there was something i could do to help. :sadface:

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Thursday, June 4th 2009, 3:51pm

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Thursday, June 4th 2009, 3:53pm

Oh no no no Jen,
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Thursday, June 4th 2009, 3:53pm

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Thursday, June 4th 2009, 4:03pm

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Thursday, June 4th 2009, 5:16pm

I can't believe I am reading this, I am so so sorry Jen - I really hope it's not what you think it is :hugs:


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Thursday, June 4th 2009, 5:17pm

Little bit more blood and more pains. Al came home at about 2.30, so we've been sitting on the sofa doing a jigsaw and I also managed a nap.

Mavis, I have been to healthcare now before (the two scans at 8 weeks showing in my sig were there). I am reluctant to have a private scan but not because of the money. Last time (back in Jan) I had one there and you might remember the scan showed that the sac was too small and that was a good indication that I would miscarry. The EPU refused to scan me until a week after my last scan, i.e. the private one, even though I felt a couple of days afterwards that the baby had died. This delayed everything, including a date for a D&C meaning I had to go through the physical pain of miscarrying naturally. The two times I have miscarried naturally past 8 weeks I have found it very traumatic and although I have passed the embryo quickly, I have had terrible contraction type pains and vomiting a few days after that. The first time, although they never tested me for an infection, I was put on strong antibiotics and had to take anti-sickness tablets because I couldn;t keep any liquid down otherwise. It took me ages to recover physically compared to the second time when I had a D&C and felt fine as quickly as the day after. I really don't want to miscarry naturally again. Also, it was agreed when I had my recurrent m/c clinic appt (in April) that if I miscarried again they would arrange for the products of conception to be analysed. The EPU vehemently denied that this is possible for 'normal' miscarriages last time, so I know I;ll have a fight on my hands. When arranging the early scans it has taken up to 5 days to be able to contact Dr Alexander (the recurrent m/c obstetrician whose care I should be under, even though I haven;t met her). So, I really want to keep under the EPU and hospital this time as I feel having a private scan could delay things and jeopardise my chances of having a D&C in time, or the products being analaysed. Yes, the system is rubbish, yes I should be seen sooner in an ideal world, yes I have complained before - but the bottom line is that I can;t force them to see me when I want to be seen, no matter how angry or upset I get.

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Thursday, June 4th 2009, 5:28pm

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Thursday, June 4th 2009, 5:43pm

Oh Jen, I'm thinking of you. :hugs: Hope you can be seen soon. I'm praying for you.
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Thursday, June 4th 2009, 5:55pm

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Thursday, June 4th 2009, 6:02pm

Oh Jen
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Thursday, June 4th 2009, 6:05pm

:hugs: hun, and oope everyhting is ok, I really feel like killing that woman on the phone, after reading your post. and EPU really need to get their act together,

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Thursday, June 4th 2009, 6:40pm

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Thursday, June 4th 2009, 6:50pm

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Thursday, June 4th 2009, 6:56pm

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Thursday, June 4th 2009, 7:02pm

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Thursday, June 4th 2009, 7:06pm

Im very sorry to read this.

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Thursday, June 4th 2009, 7:33pm

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Thursday, June 4th 2009, 7:38pm

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Thursday, June 4th 2009, 7:48pm

what you are saying does make perfect sense, i just hate it when you know you need to be seen and they dont feel it is important. i was told any bleeding in pg was to be classed as urgent... have you thought about going to A&E? it bypasses EPU but they will admit you and treat you if you are refered from there. i did this with my 1st m/c because i couldnt just wait till they thought i was worthy of an appointment.
if God forbid you do M/C you need to be there to have the things done that were agreed at your appointment.

i dont want to tell you what you should do, i know that sadly you know everything there is to know but i so wish we could help you hun. :sadface:

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Thursday, June 4th 2009, 7:49pm

Oh Jen :sadface:

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Thursday, June 4th 2009, 7:59pm

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Thursday, June 4th 2009, 8:01pm

Oh Jen I am so sorry to hear this.

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Thursday, June 4th 2009, 8:51pm

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Thursday, June 4th 2009, 8:55pm

Jen. That epu is appalling. No one should be treated that way. You will be in my prayers this evening that everything will be ok.

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Thursday, June 4th 2009, 8:57pm

This whole situation, what can I say. Not much. Just hoping the outcome is the right one xxx







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Thursday, June 4th 2009, 8:59pm

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Thursday, June 4th 2009, 9:00pm

12 hours to go until 9 am.
I hope things are easing now Jen.
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Thursday, June 4th 2009, 9:05pm

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Thursday, June 4th 2009, 9:10pm

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Love and Prayers x x x
1st go ICSI - @ royal shewsbury and Telford NHS funded
25 eggs collected 27/3/06
15 fertilized - 8 grade A - 2 transfered 30th/3
test date - Thursday 13th April, BFP :D :D :D
:baby: ITS TWINS :baby:
M.L & J.F - Born 9/11/06 6w prem (6lb 5oz & 4lb 10oz)

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