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Monday, August 25th 2014, 4:46pm

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Hi all,

Having a real nightmare with feeding! LO is now 8weeks old and I'm still getting loads of pain!

I have seen a lactation consultant, she is worried about my latch and hopefully coming back to help me sort it! It's not just pain when he is feeding it's all the time! I'm getting achy breasts and shooting pains around the nipple at all times! This means I struggle to hold and cuddle LO between feeds as I'm so sore! I struggle at night to sleep as no position is comfortable because of the pain in the breasts!

I really don't want to stop feeding but can't get past this pain!

Yes I have severe nipple trauma but it's not that which is causing the pain as some feeds can actually be comfortable! I have been tested for thrush, negative! I use lansinoh cream like it's going out of fashion! I used to get engorged a lot but that seems to have settled, I did have a major blocked duct but again that has settled! So why so much pain?

I'm in tears before most feeds and LO is starting to spit up blood from me! It can't be nice for him either. However he does seem satisfied after feeds and generally gaining weight ok?

Any ideas?

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Monday, August 25th 2014, 5:45pm

Hi, Hun
As long as the latch is a problem and you are getting new trauma to your nipples the pain can be surprisingly severe - I know that I certainly never expected feeding to be so painful and I cried every time he did because the pain started as part of the "maternal reaction" to a baby in need.
The problem is that your nipples are simply not getting a chance to heal. The fact that some feeds are comfortable means that your little one is latching properly at times so it can be done. Once the latch is sorted your nipples will start to heal and the pain will subside.
Another thing to check is that your feeding bra fits properly. It needs to give support but should not compress your breasts at all. If it is too tight over your nipples, on top of the trauma, it could also contribute to the constant pain. If you are using breast pads, make sure that they are not folding over or forming a ridge which could also be pressing or pinching your flesh.
I know that it does not work for everyone but when C basically ripped my nipples, I used a nipple shield. I did not use it for the entire feed, basically just to draw out my nipples which are flat to inverted and C could then latch better - so I'd whip it off after a few seconds. He learned to latch better after 2-3 weeks of this and the incessant pain that I had been experiencing came to an end as the skin had healed. Neither he nor I looked back after that...


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Monday, August 25th 2014, 6:11pm

Rico I wish i knew the answers. I bf for a year and although painful at times it was nothing like you are experiencing.

There is someone who may be able.to help but she doesn't come on here much now. I am friends on fb though so will see if i can ask her for help.

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Monday, August 25th 2014, 7:00pm

Thanks Rene and ct,

I've tried nipple shields alas I've tried two brands and neither fit very well and I can't seem to manage getting them in place and baby! Sometimes I think I need at least three hands!

I'm dreading each feed!

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Tuesday, August 26th 2014, 5:28pm

Oh dear I'm sorry to hear how much pain you're in. I bf for 15 months - the only time I had pain like you describe was at the start before latch got sorted and then when I had a blocked duct. Are you sure you don't have another blocked duct? I used hot flannels which helped loads. The only other things I can think of is nipple shields which you've tried ( did the lactation expert show you how to use them?) or varying position for feeding although I struggled with anything more than the traditional hold.

I hope you get some help soon - once you've cracked it it really does get easier and easier especially as they go longer between feeds. We'll done for persevering xxx
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Tuesday, August 26th 2014, 9:58pm

Thanks net,

Still struggling, some feeds are perfect so I know it's the latch! But it only takes one bad feed to put me back!

It's the pain in between that is the most difficult! I'm now deciding not to go out because of it! Seeing health visitor tomorrow, she's weighing Elliot as clinic said he wasn't putting on enough! So that may make a decision if he's not putting on!

But I do want to continue feeding! I just wish it wasn't so bloody hard! ;(

He's such a good baby though! : D he sleeps well so he must be getting enough food? :?:

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Wednesday, August 27th 2014, 8:46am

If he was hungry he'd definitely be telling you! My DD struggled a bit with weight gain ( there's a long post in the health section on it) - very very stressful. But I had no choice as she refused bottles - never ever took one so I had to keep going but she was fine she just wasn't a big eater. You know your baby and if he was hungry he wouldn't settle. I absolutely loved bf and was sad to stop even though I hated it for the first 6-8 weeks.

I really hope you can keep bf but don't beat yourself up if you need to move to formula. You've given it such a good go and there's no point making yourself miserable or not going out.

Hope the hv can help tomorrow - but don't let her upset you with those awful charts! Do you have a bf drop in clinic? I found them so helpful - there was one a week here at my local health care clinic. A chance to talk to other mums having bf problems as well.

Good luck - I do hope you can keep going as it obviously means a lot to you xxx
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Wednesday, August 27th 2014, 3:53pm

Hello Rico

Sorry to hear you are having such trouble. Do you know about the Baby Cafe network of breastfeeding counsellors? There should be one in your area - they are superb.

I had a very bad skin problem on my breasts from about 8 weeks through to about 11 months and it was absolutely terrible at times. Had me in tears, so I can sympathise. It was put down to eczema at the time, but later someone suggested it could have been a fungal infection. It only went when I got swine flu (strangely) - maybe becasuse my immune system had something else to fight (it almost disappeared overnight)?? It doesn't sound like you are having a similar problem - I had very itchy, inflamed skin that bled - but maybe it is worth asking to see a dermatologist??

Despite this, I absolutely loved breastfeeding my son and it does get a whole lot easier. Hang in there if you can.

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Wednesday, August 27th 2014, 9:48pm

Hi,

Sorry for your pain, it does sound like the latch.

When do you have the good times and when the bad ones? Is there any pattern to it? What did the HV say?

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Thursday, August 28th 2014, 7:14pm

Finally been diagnosed with thrush! :pullhair: this could've been done over a week ago! :box:

Anyway now on antibiotics and steroid cream! Having to mix feed now until nipple is healed! Managed without formula so far but will have to give him some tonight! :sniff: I feel slightly better in that I've had 12 hours of not feeding off the right side! :hugs:

Hoping to go back to feeding when all healed! Pain free in right because of not feeding so I know the latch is still not right! I'll get the lactation specialist to sort it out when I go back to feeding! Hopefully it will settle, if not it will have to be bottles! :tear:

Jenny not heard of them so will look into it thanks xx

Rianon, there is no pattern really, but I know that if I'm sore and stressed then it's bad! But how can it be could if it's so painful! So it's just got worse and worse! :pullhair:

Hopefully getting sorted now!

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Thursday, August 28th 2014, 8:45pm

Oh no sorry about your thrush, shame they did not diagnose it earlier. Hope it's healed soon.

Don't be too sad about some formula, if you keep your supply going with pumping you can work it back up once you are healed. Very strick breasfeeding advocates say once you start giving formula your supply will diminish. However if you know what you are doing (e.g demand and supply) you can just work it back up with more frequent feeding and using less and less formula. I am sure if she reads Rene can explain it better. Latch might also be easier with little one being older and stronger.

If you got this far with the pain of thrush you can do anything.

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Friday, August 29th 2014, 8:46am

Hi Rico

glad that things are a bit clearer, but so frustrating that you weren't diagnosed sooner. I had something similar with repeated trips to GP only to find out months later that there was a GP in practice tht had specialist dermatology background but nobody had thought to mention......

In case you get a minute, here is link to the Baby Cafe people. Do give them a go - they sorted us out when our little boy wasn't feeding at all after birth. Baby Café

Try and get some rest.
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Friday, August 29th 2014, 5:02pm

Thanks jenny, the nearest one is well over an hour away! What a shame!

Hopefully keeping supply up and should be back to feeding a bit by the end of the weekend, I may just resign myself to mixed feeding for a while!

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Saturday, August 30th 2014, 9:49pm

Glad you have a diagnosis. Sorry it's taken so long. Mixed feeding can work really well. Take care hope you are feeling better soon x
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Monday, September 1st 2014, 10:08am

Feeling so much better! thumbup [zx014] Alas I'm also getting used to how east bottle feeding can be! ?o( I'm still on all my lotions and potions so waiting to finish everything to see if I can get back to breast feeding. He still has left side twice daily as well as expressed milk during that time, :goodnews: still not producing enough for a full feed! But still producing so I'm guessing it can be build back up! :?:

But... :scared: Absolutely terrified of putting him back on the right side, even though the nipple is almost healed now! :scared:

Any suggestions?

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Monday, September 1st 2014, 11:01am

As you know it's all about supply and demand so you need to get back to feeing to get the supply back up. Decision time maybe? All I can say is that I found it easier and easier to bf as time went on and feeds were dropped. Good luck! There's no right or wrong answer - just whatever you find best! Xxx
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A lot of women have breast fed succesfully from just one breast. If you want you can keep the other going with pumping until you feel brave enough to try. But I heard a mum say that first time she struggled to breastfeed from both sides, 2nd time just went with the "easy" side and was a lot happier :-)

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Friday, September 5th 2014, 10:14am

I've been brave! I started him back on the right yesterday! The first couple of feeds were ok, I'm struggling in the middle of the night, think I may keep that a bottle feed? Not sure yet!

Seeing the lactation consultant today so will discuss everything with her.

My biggest problem is the general pain after feeding, I think it is the boobs filling back up, it just hurts all the time! So not sure I can keep it up? Treatment is all coming to an end so I will see how things go!

I'm now feeding off both breasts each feed and offering him some formula at the end (or when I feel I have had enough of him suckling! - he has always spent a long time feeding!) we were back to two wake ups last night! But perhaps as supply increases it will improve!

Fingers crossed xx :thumbup:

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Wednesday, September 24th 2014, 5:42pm

Still going!

Gosh it's still so hard! However, it has got a little easier!

I'm glad I'm still doing it but there are still days when I think I've had enough! Little one has got so much better at latching on, I must be so close to it being easy! So continuing for the moment!

Still giving some formula when I think he needs it, little one being weighed tomorrow but I'm not worried as he's a little chunk! Lol

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Wednesday, September 24th 2014, 7:29pm

Hi Rico

Huge well done for perservering. I hope it will soon get a whole load easier - I'm sure it will.

Just wait until baby is a bit bigger and you can soothe his frustrations with boob. You will see it as a huge blessing then.

Wishing you well

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Wednesday, September 24th 2014, 8:00pm

Well done Rico! Massive pat on the back for keeping going! Xx
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Wednesday, September 24th 2014, 8:00pm

Echo Jenny - power of the boob saved me on many many occasions! X
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Thursday, September 25th 2014, 4:06pm

Thanks ladies, there are days when I think I can't keep doing this! Then others where it is easy! So just taking it day by day!
He's 12 weeks now so it should be easier but I'm still sore! 8|

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Friday, October 31st 2014, 10:36pm

Just an update for anyone reading this!

It does get easier! Little man is 17 almost 18 weeks and I think we've almost cracked it! I'm not on any medication (had everything possible I think) and I can say that 9 out of 10 feeds are fine there is an occasional feed where it all goes wrong again and I get sore but it quickly improves.

Every feed bar one is now full breast! I give him a small bottle after his bedtime feed to improve my sleep (lazy mother!)

So if you are like me, stubborn, then it does pay off!

Keep going xx :thumbsup:

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Sunday, November 2nd 2014, 9:12am

Hi Rico

Glad to hear that all going well now. It will really pay dividends as your little man grows. Any upset and you can whip out a boob - worked a treat for me!

Enjoy your little one - it goes so fast.

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