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Thursday, April 19th 2007, 2:22pm

Another weight problem!

Hi all,

my post is going to sound similar to Glitzys!
Midwife been today and Aaron has only put on 20 grams since Saturday! :(
Hes feeding for approx 15-20 mins at a time throughout the day,but sleeps from approx 11pm till 5/6 am.Is this where im going wrong?Midwife suggested i wake him during the night and offer another feed,but if this doesnt help,where do i go from here?

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Thursday, April 19th 2007, 2:26pm

you need a new ticker sweetheart.... :D

it wouldnt hurt to try hun, most babies dont mind being woken for a feed, i know spud was ok with it......worth a try

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Thursday, April 19th 2007, 2:31pm

It could also be as simple as Aaron having a big wee and or a pooh before this weeks weight check and that he did it after the weighing last week.

Sometimes scales are miscalibrated etc!

Does he look and feel ok?
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Thursday, April 19th 2007, 2:34pm

He's GAINED!!! That's enough!

I completely agree with Torisen, a wee and a poo can weigh a few ounces, a feed before or after a weigh in can mean a several ounce difference... these weights are all guide and even that guide says that he's gaining at the moment.

Is he acting like he's not getting enough to eat?





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Thursday, April 19th 2007, 2:51pm

Whats your midwife doing weighing him after less than week? Is he alert, weeing, pooing, etc.. if so he's fine, weights are just numbers. I know I'm asking the impossible here but stop worrying!
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Thursday, April 19th 2007, 4:57pm

He looks fine,is alert,weeing and pooing no problem,plenty of wet and dirty nappies after each feed.I asked what happens if hes weighed again on monday and hes hardly gained anything,what you you suggest?Answer was formula after a feed!

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Thursday, April 19th 2007, 5:48pm

I wouldn't go near formyla as that won't make your own milk supply increase. I think you seem to be doing fine if he is weeing and pooing!

I would insist in going another week and see what happens without starting messing with formula etc.

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Thursday, April 19th 2007, 6:06pm

Don't some health professionals have the most useless advice for new Mothers!!!! It's so easy for them to say to Mums "stick a bottle in its gob!" instead of sitting down, reassuring you and going through everything.

What kind of support is that? :rolleyes:

You have a baby who is feeding like a dream, who sleeps like a dream and who is gaining weight (no matter how little!!! )

If you're worried that he's not having as many feeds as you think he should or if you're worried that your milk supply isn't enough then by all means wake him up for a feed in the night but if he and you are happy.... then why rock the boat with formula? If you 'do' introduce formula you have possible problems with teat confusion, sucking reflexes, constipation, colic, wind... not to mention your own precious milk supply.

Your HV wants suspending over the crocodile pit I have especially for health professionals who give out duff information.





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Thursday, April 19th 2007, 9:10pm

Oooh Bells, I have a list of people I can recommend to you!

I agree, no formula.





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Friday, April 20th 2007, 10:25am

Thanks ladies!

Hormones are all over the place at the mo,feeling bit weepy which is so not like me!So yesterday i felt like a failure(STUPID I KNOW)
Fed Aaron last night at 11,even though he would have slept thru,and woke him at 2.30 am.Had to strip him to get him feeding,but he had about 20 mins.Woke him again at 6.30 and he fed again.Going to try to get him to feed every 1/2 hrs today.I was totally shocked by the weight gain as midwife said they expect 1oz a day as a guide for weight gain.As in said,hes alert,weeing,pooing etc so im doing something right!

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Friday, April 20th 2007, 10:29am

Sleep deprivation won't improve your mood much. Try to get some sleep! XXX

I have weighed Z 6 times in total and he is almost 6 months.

Once at birth
Once at 1 week
Once for the 6 weeks jab
once the day after (stupid I know, it was just for fun)
once for the next jab
once for the jab after that


I have no idea how much he weighs but he is happy and eating!

I think we should ban scales! :)
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Friday, April 20th 2007, 10:33am

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Sleep deprivation won't improve your mood much. Try to get some sleep! XXX

I have weighed Z 6 times in total and he is almost 6 months.

Once at birth
Once at 1 week
Once for the 6 weeks jab
once the day after (stupid I know, it was just for fun)
once for the next jab
once for the jab after that


I have no idea how much he weighs but he is happy and eating!

I think we should ban scales! :)


Ditto to what Wella says above and ditto to everything everyone else has said! Can't see the fascination with scales! And makes my blood boil how quickly some people can be to recommend the bottle. As I told you in before you are doing a fantastic job and the two of you will be just fine.

If you are really worried about him going through the night without a feed then wake him for one. I did that with Plum in the early days, just brought her into our bed (naughty I know but shes fine) and fed her sleepily there, nine times out of ten she went back to sleep.







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Friday, April 20th 2007, 11:00am

Shelly, what did I say to you on the phone? I said that if everyone could breastfeed like you then my job on here would be easy.

You are an ABSOLUTE NATURAL at this, I want the entire site to know that this woman has an adorable baby who is feeding beautifully at the breast. Shelly has plentiful milk, baby latches, baby sucks, baby sleeps. Hands up all of you who would have given your right arm to manage it like Shelly is .... *sticks arm up in air*

Shelly, he's gaining weight, slowly but surely he is and you're NOT failing him one bit. You're brilliant!!!!


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Friday, April 20th 2007, 11:48am

Where does she get an ounce a day from? The weight charts that HVs and therefore mums obsess over are based on formula fed babies who gain weight more rapidly because they are having milk which is designed for cows.

Bells, can I put my arm down now?





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Friday, April 20th 2007, 11:50am

Shelly, are your nipples not even blistering or bleeding? No chunks coming off, scabs, cracks, nothing??!!
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Bells, can I put my arm down now?


Yes yes, it's been up for so long your hand's gone white.





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Friday, April 20th 2007, 12:11pm

I hate Shelley

no, I dont, but dear god at 3 weeks I was within hours of giving up breastfeeding due to cracking blistering bleeding nipples with chunks missing

darling - you're amazing!

only thing I would suggest is to offer the second boob after your DS has done 15-20 minutes on one side, even if he doesnt take it. if he doesnt take then he isnt hungry enough for it - that simple.

sometimes though babies unlatch because the boob is empty rather than because they are full.

I got this advice from a friend, and it worked for me. Sometimes DS would turn his head away or just not be interested, and sometimes he would (semi-) latch and feed.

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Friday, April 20th 2007, 1:23pm

Bells grouphug THANK YOU,feel better for you saying that!

Rivka,i woke him last night,and he went back to sleep easily,boy, my liitle boy loves his sleep! :DThink he,d sleep thru an earthquake

Wella,no damage to nips yet!Slight pain when he first latches on,but otherwise theyre fine.Thought id have had to send dh out for the lansinoh cream by now!but boy does it hurt if he manages to just suck on the end of the nipple,brings tears to my eyes!I watch out to see how big he opens his mouth,baby bird size,and hes not getting anywhere near my nips!I tell him big birdie mouth,not little birdie! :D

Have just started to offer other boob Sun since yesterday,like P,Aaron will sometmes take it,or times hes just not interested.
Hes asleep at the mo,will be giving him a prod in another hour to see if hell feed again!poor baby mummys always waking him up!

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Friday, April 20th 2007, 1:46pm

good!

and you really DO need to change your ticker now love x







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Friday, April 20th 2007, 2:00pm

1 oz per day- what rubbish is that?????
Shelly as all the others have said, that fact that he has gained (however small) is enough.
as he is otherwise well, i really wouldn;t wake him at night. if he was hungry he'll wake up. enjoy the rest!!!
forget about the formula- you DO NOT need it!!

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Friday, April 20th 2007, 2:06pm

shelly - mine were bleeding by day4 love, so if yours havent by now then it's unlikely that they will (lucky byatch ;) ) but.... I did have inverted nipples and he was a tiny baby (2.8kg ~ 6lb 3oz) and I waas post-c-section so a bad combo all around.

ach, if his fontanelle isnt sunken, he looks pink & healthy & is doing at least 5 pees per day then I wouldnt worry about his weight.

if you are now offering both boobs (whether he takes them or not) I personally wouldnt worry now about waking him up. he'll be fine. to be honest, a longer gap post sleep will make him more hungry and he'll suck for longer. the longer he sucks for the more rich fatty hind milk he will get from you (it's funny if you express and then let the milk stand you'll see it looks like full fat milk with almost a buttery fat layer at the top! :D )

also dont forget to alternate starting boobies - ie L then R, next feed R then L etc ;)

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Friday, April 20th 2007, 8:03pm

I hope you've got the message Shelly that you're doing a great job. I always woke mine in the middle of the night for a feed, if they hadn't already woken me first. You're only waking him for one of his favourite activities, so if it's what you want to do, I think it's fine. How would you like to be woken, have your favourite drink and a cuddle and then drift off back to sleep again? Wonderful.
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Monday, April 23rd 2007, 12:51pm

Update!

Midwife just been,Aaron has put on 5oz since Thursday,so happy mummy!
Ive been waking him up during the night for a feed,so seems to have made the difference.

Feel like the two midwifes i have are not supportive of me breast feeding though,they are STILL insisting Aaron needs to be putting on 1oz a day1 8o
grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

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Monday, April 23rd 2007, 12:52pm

Does he hell!! Well done little man for putting on that weight tho!!!

And will you change your ticker!!!

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Monday, April 23rd 2007, 12:57pm

ggggrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr! You are doing a fantastic job. Maybe you should ask them why they are so pro-formula?! Imagine what this does to women with less info / strength / support than you!







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Monday, April 23rd 2007, 12:59pm

Sorry Saz,im totally useless,will get dh to do it,i dont know how!

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Monday, April 23rd 2007, 1:06pm

Shelly, just slap them OR print out some brest feeding info and hand it to them! BAH!
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Monday, April 23rd 2007, 1:13pm

FIVE OUNCES!!!!!!!!

That's incredible!!!!

Whatever you're doing is obviously working. This is the upward trend you were waiting for and it all seems perfect to me.

I cannot understand your midwives???!!!???!!! They're supposed to be promoting breastfeeding! I would ask them if their hospital trust supports a breastfeeding policy and if so what guidelines are they following which state that all breastfed babies must uniformly gain an ounce per week!

I've never heard anything so bloody ridiculous in my life!!! X(





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Monday, April 23rd 2007, 1:15pm

Do you have to see them?
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Monday, April 23rd 2007, 1:28pm

Wella,
theyre coming again to weigh him on Sunday,they wont sign me off untill they are happy with his weight gain growing :rolleyes:

Bells they say they expect babies to put on an ounce a day on! 8o

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Monday, April 23rd 2007, 1:39pm

Shelly, just be strong and stand up for yourself.
It is really hard when you have this little thing that you know nothing about and you kindof expect the MW/HV to know their stuff. But some of them are so bloody ignorant that you just want to... lets say... fill their boots with sticky stuff or something...

As long as you feel that he is ok you can tell them to bugger off. You can also tell them that you thought that they could have been more supportive etc...

La Leche League says 4-7 oz a week!
http://www.llli.org/FAQ/enough.html

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Monday, April 23rd 2007, 2:01pm

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How old is A now?


If she updated her ticker, we'd know!! ;)

The health visitors are just quoting the average which is such a nonsense, because what baby is exactly average? Shelly, 5oz is blummin' marvelllous (ooh look, so marvellous, I've put three l's in the word). :D
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How old is A now?


If she updated her ticker, we'd know!! ;)





Our fingers are smoking here... give us a chance!!!!! :D





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Monday, April 23rd 2007, 2:11pm

Thank you Lorri for putting that on, Shelly - hope you don't mind me putting the picture on.....

This effort was brough to you by the blue donkey and the rambler xxx





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hehehehe :)
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Monday, April 23rd 2007, 2:20pm

Thank you Bells and Eeyore blowkiss

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I love your ticker!!

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Monday, April 23rd 2007, 9:18pm

Shelly,

Well done 5oz that is amazing your Midwifes are :swear:

As the other have said you are doing fine as long as A is putting weight on and you feel he is well in himself then thats great.

It really annoys me to hear about so called health care proffesionals not having a clue about their job ahhhhhhhh rant rant.

In my letter of complaint about my health visitor I quoted the N.I.C.E guildlines that they all "should" be following!!

Shelly, as long as you feel that baby A is doing well and has wet nappies and is settled between feeds etc etc then he will be fine. Keep up with the boobie juice and he will come on in leaps and bounds try not to stress about the red book charts etc etc I know from experience Freya is still underweight for her age, but she is happy and contented and very healthy dispite the lack of help I have received from my hv! The girls on fz helped me so much when she was so ill and I was worried.

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Monday, April 30th 2007, 9:38am

Im happy to report Aaron was weighed again yesterday :rolleyes: and has gained another 5oz since last Monday.So thats 10oz in 11 days!So im definately doing something right!Hes alert,started to smile :D,which melts my heart, and overall is a contented baby.Midwife said "dontb think he,ll need topping up with formula then",in said "he never did,and i wasnt going down that route,think i know whats best for my own baby".She didnt look too pleased when i said that!
Stuff em! :P

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Monday, April 30th 2007, 12:12pm

oh well done Shelly! I am so very pleased for you both!

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